Psytrance - WEAK or NOT

topic posted Sat, February 9, 2008 - 7:03 PM by  Ribotto
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    Sat, February 9, 2008 - 8:14 PM
    This should probably discussed in a topic not some pic - my response copied over:

    I think fullon is just dead, its been how many years now we've been hearing exactly the same bassline?

    It can't possibly go on longer, the israeli scene and those who copy it will follow skazi and infected mushroom and dali and the others doing their nu rap metal europop, and maybe finally we can get some good and inspired music again not this horrible flood of low quality and average music that all sounds the same. The styles will split and us psychedelic crowd will rebound into the next sound that appeals to our palette.

    Also, this isn't news to me, psytrance has been dead to me since 2003, I've heard maybe a dozen actually good and inspired albums from then to now, the rest is all full-on garbage that can be cool at a party for a few hours, but its never something I can really get into for home listening. Now that doesn't apply to the records preceeding 1999, or any of the twisted stuff - but then thats not "psytrance" as we see it today is it :)

    I don't see much hope in proggressive, its very pleasant stuff but for the most part it suffers minimal production and inspiration to, its not something that will become the main stable of what we listen to.

    I think we'll see a new age of diversity and inspiration, with more varied styles being played and more expiramentation on less commercial sounds. so long as all the DJs don't burn out...but then maybe they should, maybe its time for a fresh generation to decide what is good music since alot of the djs and producers really have been failing at that.

    There is also so much music gone past, just because it didn't come out on V/A Generic Shanti Music volume 41 a month ago doesn't mean its not "fresh" or worthy music, there are so so many styles out there.

    Also - why is this discussion in some pic? Move this to a tribe :) but whatever.

    - bobby
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      Sun, February 10, 2008 - 12:46 AM
      Just saw this - psyreviews is going down

      www.psyreviews.net/

      Wow :)
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        Sun, February 10, 2008 - 7:22 AM
        Thats where I stole the picture.
        If reviewing all the garbage that has been coming out of the psytrance world lately were my job, I would quit too.
        I love psytrance, but it has been extremely disappointing lately (years)
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          Sun, February 10, 2008 - 7:38 AM
          Its due to over saturation of the market. Every asshole has a fucking label that puts out their shitty music.
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            Sun, February 10, 2008 - 7:47 AM
            I couldn't agree more.
            Here are some stats.
            www.psydb.net/stats/
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              Sun, February 10, 2008 - 7:59 AM
              Similar discussion on isratrance
              forum.isratrance.com/psyreviews-r-i-p/
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                Sun, February 10, 2008 - 8:28 AM
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                  Sun, February 10, 2008 - 8:45 AM
                  This is a great post

                  "I think the psy scene is in kinda trouble since a few years. As usual and as it has happened to other subcultural movements before, many different styles have evaporated out of the oldschool, original sound. They address lots of different people and/or states of minds, which is really a great thing. But it kinda got stuck and repetitive - but why?

                  I think it’s just the usual: business and hedonism.

                  Isn’t it funny, that in such an international, globally widespread scene (I think there never has been any comparable movement before, at least from the being absolutly globalized perspective) CD-realeases rarely sell more than a few hundred copies and still you have like a total jungle of different labels popping out the “killah releases” like a catholic hausfrau is popping out babies?

                  And in the quest of success most labels are just greedy of popping out the “newest”, “freshest” – well, or whatever that means – so that for most labels the recency became more important than the quality. If I read the descriptions from psyshop, which I guess do all come from the releasing labels, it is mostly brainless, proposterous hokum. It usually sounds like a sleazy washing powder commercial, just that the target group isn’t middle-class houswives but some slightly bemused fringe group that chose to live a tightrope between drug madness, drug addiction, keeping it somehow alltogether and believing that this lifestyle would really have some spiritual potential to it.

                  And most of the music sounds excactly like that. Italy’s musical embaressment Eros Ramazotti is for mid-aged, female clerks with widish asses who still believe some day they got picked by a magic prince. Britney Spears is for teenaged school girls who hope that their braces won’t keep them from getting their first kiss this summer holiday. Eminem is for their counterparts: teen-aged school boys with ugly, shiny sneakers and ridiculously gay belt-buckles who struggle with severe acne and hope that their summer holiday conquest won’t have any braces. Well, most Goa music nowadays is for malnourished, anemic wanna-be Terence McKennas who masquerade their addiction to drugs and their lust for transient, meaningless fun with a bunch of colorful, weird clothes, kitschy accessoirs and a mostly verbally spiritual correct habit, that often comes off a little overblown and out of place.

                  But the truth is: The majority of Goa fraggles are basically just big consumers. Consumers of new “killah releases”, heavy consumers of drugs, of course, consumers of laser shows, consumers of dancefloors and, most of all, consumers of an old and long vanished idea of a better life as a hippie. Even the conversation often seems like some kind of conspicuous consumption, as the topics often seem very much to go around in circels (drugs, high dosed drug-experiences, which is my favourite drug, myths about safer use of drugs, the most apprecciated artist that is about to play next night and is by no means to be missed, and, of course, boom shanka, mind & soul, just be yourself and all that pseudo spiritual load of crap).

                  Uh, and btw: Of course, you don’t have to *dance* on a dancefloor to consume it. You don’t even have to *listen* to the music that’s being played, it’s much more simpler: Just stand there in the middle of everybody, scream, cheer and whistle your ass off, with a can of warm, moldy beer in your hand and some amphetamines circling your metabolism and making your lower jaw compulsively nibble somewhere around the hair line over your ears, is all you have to do. Being such a drooly, gasping and noisy drug monster, you can always say, who ever is on stage just right now, makes the dancefloor “go crazy”.

                  May, 2006. I was at the tragically dreadful wet and rainy Sonnentanz festival in Austria (still, the irony of that name makes me titter ) and the second night or so, when I walked towards the dancefloor alone, there was this group of – hm, well, I think I’m gonna call them Goa hooligans – behind me that sang that famous soccer tune: “Oléééé, olé, olé, oléééé”, just they didn’t put their favorite soccer team in it, but the phrase “super Goa, oléééé, olééééé.”

                  It was at that moment, it hit me: I am at a soccer match in some British stadium, or at an overcrowed beach in front of ugly white tourist blocks in Spain, or at a ski piste in Switzerland, or at an camping site in Italy, or at Disneyland in Florida, or Mardi Gras in former New Orleans (now known as Atlantis), or at the local Burger King just next to the local charts disco, or at the Love Parade in Berlin, or just sitting at home after work watching those spirit crushing so called comedy shows. I’m just at another place where that mob-driven, hedonistic numbness is the idealized behaviour-pattern of that streamlined common sense that degenerates our little planet so much. Basically, I could be anywhere except nature - there isn’t much difference anymore between a psyparty and any other civilized place where people consume things some vibrant business-men have arranged for them.

                  It used to be a huge difference between psyparties and the crappy ordinary world. The latter is so utterly contaminated with mindless consumerism that makes *things* becoming more important than *people*, while the former used to be more about *just being people*. But today, psytrance has become ordinary, or: The ordinary people with their ordinary interests and ordinary habits have arrived at psytrance.

                  And that is the problem: On the one side, you have those, who want to make a shit-load of money, or to get appreciated by the masses, and on the other hand, you have those, who want to have some brainless, absent-minded weekend-fun. So you have Skazi, Domestic, Infected Mushroom and all that Goa-Rave-Pop-Trance-musical-warfare-against-good-taste-shit behind and on the stage and all those dimwits screaming like it is some kind of a Tokyo Hotel concert at the dancefloor in front of it.

                  Or you have some pointless noise that sounds like a vacuum cleaner dubbed over a traction engine for those who obviously want to keep it undahground, man!

                  Don’t get me wrong, there is still lots of good freaky music out there, but the market forces in psy aren’t different from those at the New York stock exchange, so you just don’t get to hear it on parties - or at least very rarely. You rather hear that mass produced CCC-Trance (crappy, childish and cheesy) for the masses, which is, from a musical point-of-view, simply a catastrophe and an embarresment for the whole scene.

                  So, who’s with me? Who wants that difference back that it once used to make? How are we gonna get it? Where? I don’t want to ditch or snub anyone here. These are just my personal observations after dawdling away 11 years in psytrance wonderland. I really miss the un-normality that I thought the term psychedelic always referred to: That simple, basic and sometimes very hard “be-it”. No attitude, no fashion, no style, no raving madness, no narcism. Just let the woofs hittin’ your vulnerable brain cells and getting yourself brutally kicked out of reality into reality simply by the music, which is impossible with all that stopstarts, snare roles, siren sounds and that one special consistently emerging melody, that tries so hard to be utterly euphoric but just manages to be as poetic as the emotional and spiritual profundity of a barbie doll.

                  So what to do? Could it really be that this whole scene and its basic non-verbal idea of just *purely being* had have so little real substance? Or have I been so fuckin’ delusional all this years, thinking of that idea as sharing it with others without having to talk about it? Or is the idea still there, but those parties aren’t the “place-to-be” anymore? So, where is it then?

                  Maybe it’s just a fuckin’ awful decade we are living in. When some US-warmongers and their European poodles try to bring up World War 3, when religious and political conservatism is gaining more and more relevance in most of our societies and when our so called elites try their best in fulfilling Orson Welles’ and Aldous Huxley’s darkest prophecies, while those who would have got the potential to make some difference rave their nights and brains away with mind-crushing doses of MDMA and crappy kindergarten-guitar-riffs over some hectic, neurotically discontinuous basslines.

                  Or maybe I’m just getting old and turned into a severe cynic at the abyss of my thirties!?

                  Well, anyway, just some thoughts."
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                    Sun, February 10, 2008 - 1:48 PM
                    lol when i posted a similar note on this two years ago
                    it was met with anger and denial. now its more like calm regret.
                    its important that we accept change in order to be able to welcome
                    whatevers coming next. those that keep holding on will be to the
                    scene what existing candy kids are to us today.
                    in the beginning was the end. nature knows it, why not concur?
                    revel in the chaos while it lasts, cuz i remember this same situation
                    about 10 years ago before we were all nuts about psy.
                    it took psy a few years to get there and when it did it was delicious.

                    as now as was then: (((BOOM)))
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                    Mon, March 24, 2008 - 7:13 PM
                    ughhhh. I cant stand these kind of threads. Its fucking stupid. People that dont make art but they wanna bitch about how the art is made or the direction its going. People that dont write music but they wanna bitch about artists that have gained popularity or success (God forbid they put food on their tables or clothes on their kid's backs) People that aren't artists but they bitch because someone is making a living at it yet they want that artist to be poor because if they get popular or have success then they suck. It isnt about how they might be another person with bills to pay or needs in life.

                    I hate people that dont make art that bitch about an entire genre's general direction. If you eat chocolate covered strawberries every single day and you've been doing it for 10 years well guess what! you're gonna get tired of it after a while. DUH! You're going to look at someone enjoying the shit out of their chocolate covered strawberry cuz they've only been into it for 6 months and call them a "chocolate covered strawberry hooligan"

                    If you're tired of how a said style is going then MAKE SOMETHING BETTER yourself. Take matters in your own hands or if you're incapable of doing that then go listen to something else. I cant build a car to save my life and I know that Fords suck so i just dont buy one. I'm not gonna make post after post bitching about Ford or how it needs to be better. For God's sake there is more to life then psytrance and certainly more to music. Get over yourselves and you beloved "scene" Quit looking at art in terms of categories and look at it in terms of people.

                    Its like racism. You use blanket terms to categorize entire creeds into derogatory statements. Its ignorant and futile. Rather then saying ____ people are _____ how about saying Johnny is an asshole or Jennifer is a hottie. People are people and artists are artists. They change, morph, have needs, do bad and good things and if you want some kind of change then do something yourself to change it rather then griping about its direction in witch you have no control over. You can only control your self and what you do.
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                      Mon, March 24, 2008 - 7:18 PM
                      "ughhhh. I cant stand these kind of threads. Its fucking stupid. People that dont make art but they wanna bitch about how the art is made or the direction its going. People that dont write music but they wanna bitch about artists that have gained popularity or success (God forbid they put food on their tables or clothes on their kid's backs) People that aren't artists but they bitch because someone is making a living at it yet they want that artist to be poor because if they get popular or have success then they suck. It isnt about how they might be another person with bills to pay or needs in life."


                      The absolute worst is when people don't like the direction a discussion is taking , and so, decide to bitch about it
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                        Mon, March 24, 2008 - 7:49 PM
                        "The absolute worst is when people don't like the direction a discussion is taking , and so, decide to bitch about it"

                        its no where near as bad as people that bitch about people bitching about the direction a thread is going.


                        ;)
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                      Mon, March 24, 2008 - 7:47 PM
                      Josh, your post makes very little sense.
                      Especially since this thread died 2 weeks ago. You couldn't let sleeping dogs lie, and now this is being brought back to life.

                      Good job.
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                        Mon, March 24, 2008 - 7:52 PM
                        doh sorry. I havent checked this tribe in a while. Its probably cause psytrance is so weak now!! Thanks psytrance. Lets all blame psytrance and get on with our lives! :)
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                          Mon, March 24, 2008 - 8:57 PM
                          I think the conversation was a legitimate one.
                          Also, I make art and write music, why assume I don't.

                          I don't understand when people bitch about the subject of threads.
                          Obviously the people contributing think its worthwhile.
                          If you don't, than why post just to say so?

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                          Mon, March 24, 2008 - 11:49 PM
                          Josh, if you'd bothered to read the entire thread you'd have noticed that many of us were responding in very respectful, helpful ways with lots of great ideas for improving things, *exactly* as you suggested we should. It's not like everyone was just tearing the genre apart for shits and giggles. And many of us *are* artists and djs, although I think anyone has the right to comment on art whether they produce art or not. Artists don't produce art only for other artists. They produce it for everyone, so everyone has the right to comment on it, for better or worse.

                          I for one talked about the changes I've gone through personally which have effected my taste in dance music. Rather than externalizing my current opinion of psytrance, I internalized it. Is that ok with you or should I have just kept my mouth shut? I thought the whole purpose of tribe was to have a forum where people could express themselves to other like-minded people. Self-expression, like music, isn't always positive and pretty. I support your right to express your thoughts, whether I agree with them or not. Please support mine as well.

                          Peace, Love & PsyGrease
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                            Tue, March 25, 2008 - 1:20 AM
                            Very well put Alixr.

                            Blanket statements are not good for anyone and jumping into a long-since-over conversation to make a rebuttal against something which was never actually argued is simple a weird waste of time.



                            Josh shouldn't be assuming no one writes music and that no one has a valid opinion.
                            Yes, taste in trance is subjective.
                            Yes, taste in any art is subjective.
                            However, I find it weird when I give honest feedback to a label who wants to know what I think and then they get upset because I didn't kiss their feet.

                            Sometimes shit is released. Sometimes a bunch of people et their rocks off on crap. None if it really is important and/or holds weight.

                            It is dance music. Enjoy what you can. Don't listen to what you don't like. Move on and keep smiling.

                            This isn't the "real world" after all.
                            :)
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                      Fri, June 27, 2008 - 8:56 PM
                      I kinda agree with Josh... Everyone wants to complain (even people that make music here that arent pushing boundaries just emulating the old stuff they like, but say that the old stuff is the good stuff, the new stuff is lacking originality,... even tho its derived from the old stuff? lol) Its like screw u picasso your art sucks.... although i do the same style as you... just an older variation.. but thats the thing about Art.. its like music... its subjective to each individual listener... this direction that direction.. at leaste there is a direction and if you have such a problem with the direction... then make your own music thats better and show us how it should be or how it could be better or more innovative (complaining without a proposed solution only breeds negative energy). Einstein hated our math system... but he didnt talk ish on math.. he developed a new system and showed people how it could be better. Its a little different than music, but should be handled the same way... and really... this is more of a labrynth than a discussion... no 2 people like all the same music and people always get sick of listening to the same style of electronic music. Which is why u see this cycle of peoples tastes always leading them back to... well theres no more good music left bein made... but its just because you've played it all out finally. All good music comes to that same end... where u are wishing there was another group like your favorite group that u think is innovative or pushing the boundry in some way... for me shpongle is one of em. But this discussion is like a fry loop.... Why dont we just eat some and discuss what our favorite color is too =P
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                        Mon, June 30, 2008 - 1:05 PM
                        talking shit is part of what evolves things...
                        its one of the driving forces behind it.
                        it doesnt matter if we're talking music or cars
                        or clothes or pencils.
                        otherwise we wouldnt have reviews, polls, or
                        anything else that would illicit change.

                        this is healthy in that it forces us to take a look
                        and decide on what we agree on as good or not
                        in order to change things or keep them the same.

                        so some of us feel that direction of psy has gotten
                        a little crappy. theres multiple reasons to feel this
                        way and theres nothing wrong with voicing this.
                        to be passive and decide that nothing is wrong
                        is a personal choice those of us speaking up
                        choose not to take. i still go to parties to be with
                        friends, and i still hope for that sweet hypnotic
                        spot. i dont really care if it happens anymore
                        but when it does, hooyah.
                        to tell us to shut up and like it however is ridiculous.
                        whats the point of being a part of something if you cant have an opinion about it.

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    Sun, February 10, 2008 - 7:46 PM
    i'm not sure whether you guys are talking about psytrance or psy-ambient-dub-trance-house-whatever (psychedelic music in general) !?
    psytrance might be dead (or dying) but that doesn't mean the whole psy genres of music are dying (or dead!), it's just changing and those which are not changing are not, obviously, original......every once in a while i hear something that IMO is as surprising and original as the music that got me into psy music couple of years ago.....that being said i can't see myself listening to anything other than psy music, that's enough FOR ME to consider it alive

    peace
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      Sun, February 10, 2008 - 11:45 PM
      That sucks that you guys think psytrance is dying.
      For me, it's just begun.
      I learned what samadhi was after a night of psytrance,
      and morning meditation on the beach.

      some of it is crap, some of it is fucking amazing.

      I love to dance. I will gravitate toward the better vibes.
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        Mon, February 11, 2008 - 11:17 AM
        you know it's really bad when psyreviews shuts down and offeres to return any unreviewed cd's.
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          Mon, February 11, 2008 - 12:18 PM
          " you know it's really bad when psyreviews shuts down and offeres to return any unreviewed cd's."


          Not really. I get tons of shitty shitty CDs and music. It is amazingly bad. I simply skip them and don't waste my time. I suppose he was a bit more professional with his reviewing of everything, I would rather give good reviews of the good stuff and ignore the bad. No sense wasting anyones time with a bad review.

          Negativity only hurts the soul.
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            Mon, February 11, 2008 - 1:20 PM
            you cant define good if you disregard bad...

            i wouldnt call this thread negative at all.
            if anything its more voices speaking up about something
            that has been going on for a while now. i dont see anything
            wrong with the voicing of opinions in regards to something
            that is affecting a community. it needs to be said and heard.

            negative would be another thread about how bad goagil is at mixing.

            to the guy asking if this was about psy trance or psy genres in general:
            its just about psytrance
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              Mon, February 11, 2008 - 1:28 PM
              Of course you can't define good if you disregard bad.
              But what I am saying is that I am not going to put my negative thoughts and voice into something which someone else might like.

              I give something a bad review and that might taint someones opinion of it. And that person might really enjoy the release. So my objective negativity does nothing. I am not the end-all be-all of taste. So I'd rather limit my reviews to things I like, therefore helping the music I enjoy without hurting music I do not like which someone else might.

              Dig?

              :)
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              Mon, February 11, 2008 - 4:24 PM
              what i'm trying to say is that it shouldn't be just about psytrance
              psytrance has changed, and yes there are tons of crappy psytrance coming out every now and then filling up psyshop new releases page. this is b/c of an increasing interest in this genre (and unfortunately ppl who get into it now a days don't know anything about what they're listening to or what this whole thing is about and just want some beats to listen to while getting hammered or dose themselves), as a result we have some psytrance specially made for clubbing (i'm not sure if they should be called psytrane tho) like infected fucking mushroom and skazi and etc etc etc....or some other shitty psytrance with non-stop beats with cheesiest melodies b/c no one cares about what they are listening to when they go to this kindda rave.
              the real psytrance however, is a mixture of other genres with psytrance and/or adding some new melodies from some parts of the world (and i'm not talking about this cliche indian influence which is as old as beatles and it's over-used in psy scene, i'm talking about using these elements to create something new----after listening to tripswitch - circuit breaker for 10000000 times it still blows my mind!!!!), or even using some other instruments (and again not the cheesy e-guitar that you hear in all these random albums but again when you use it to create something new. i still get chills listening to the Return to Tunguska (simon posford and alan parson with david gilmour playing guitar)), and some other stuff that i'm not creative enough to even imagine !!!!! it's all about creativity, it's all about something new

              for judging whether psytrance is dying or thriving or is just like it was before, you should include ALL psy genres.
              ...and IMO you shouldn't consider the music which is ONLY made for the dancefloor and would make you puke when listening to it at home!!!!!
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                Mon, February 11, 2008 - 4:47 PM
                Oh, yeah.
                Mixing genres is a must. I see what you are saying. I thought that was already agreed upon and recommended.
                Coburn, Product.01, Deadmau5, Digitalis, Slot Machine, Outolintu, etc etc.

                Totally.

                "PsyTrance" the skazi 155bpm 1/16-note bassline isn't all encompassing.

                :)

                I think we are agreeing on this. Just speaking in different terms
                lol
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                  Tue, February 12, 2008 - 6:47 AM
                  I still occasionally preview stuff on saikosounds but mostly because its fun to try to guess while the mp3 loads to stream if the track is going to sound like a bad astrix ripoff or a like a slowed down machine gun with stupid sounds over it..
                  I think we are just in the transition from the "good stuff" sounding mind bending creative and actually expanding the genre pallet wise to just having "good psytrance" albums. Kind of like how can't try to get creative with blues music by having a band of of death metal and industrial musicians all playing in harmonic minor because it won't be blues anymore. That doesn't mean you can't make a good blues album though still. Once we things go more to this side, releases should get much more interesting and hopefully will stop putting out so much garbage,dilluting the whole genre.
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                    Tue, February 12, 2008 - 8:29 AM
                    I think this conversation is tricky because what do we mean by "good" vs "bad" music?
                    Obviously these aren't objective terms and people are all going to like something no matter what it is.

                    Also, I think we could all agree that not ALL psytrance that is released is "bad". That would be a ridiculous over-generalization.

                    However, the genre is based on 4 on the floor kick drum at approx. 140-150bpm. This already makes this genre slightly repetitive in comparison to other more broken percussion genres. If, on top of this propensity for repetitiveness, producers also load the track with formulaic arpeggios, stabs, fills, reverses, and basslines, then what is the point?

                    I think music is about expression. Psychedelic trance seems like it is about 1) being psychedelic 2) dancing.
                    If the music is uber-predictable and cookie cutter - then it is probably fails #1 - being psychedelic.
                    However, pump a kick drum through a sound system on a loop, and people will dance no matter what.

                    As someone said previously, it seems like there was a style that worked, and the market got flooded by people copying it. Most of the stuff that I have heard lately feels like you could write a software program called "psytrance generator" which pumps out a 4/4 kick with hats on the offbeat and snare on 2 and 4; basslines that are generated through algorithm or just 16h notes after each kick; squelchy leads that just arpeggio over top of all of that; randomly generated quantized stabs, and reverses/cymbals after every 16 bars. Remove the kick every so often, and bring in back with a rolling snare. Also add a dash of samples from your latest pop-culture movie/tv show, and you got a psytrance track. This program could generate random patches for each of these sounds, but the structure is basically a formula. Run this program 9 times and you got an album that can be posted on psyshop or saikosounds with the description of being "killa".

                    Obviously this is a metaphor, but its not to far off...
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                      Tue, February 12, 2008 - 8:33 AM
                      GMS invented the PsyTrance Generator Machine back in 2000ish.
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                        Tue, February 12, 2008 - 8:42 AM
                        Its sad too, Chaos Laboratory and Growly family were solid releases.


                        PS I think the system busters album came out in 99
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                          Tue, February 12, 2008 - 8:58 AM
                          Meh.
                          I didn't like any of them.

                          I am soooo not into that sound at all, but I do give them credit for creating the sound and developing it to its fullest.
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                            Tue, February 12, 2008 - 3:00 PM
                            well the problem is that the bad is out weighing the good and I'll go through 100 tracks to find 1 I like ... thats the full on I'm talking about. The "dark" is just to terrible to even listen to in my opinion. Progressive psy, for me, is where the quality is at @ the moment.
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    Wed, February 13, 2008 - 7:45 PM
    There's still america folks (ok so san fran is a little dark) I'm a firm believer in the Philadelphia sound. I just hope twisted records and the jam bands ( ie disco biscuits) don't fuck it up.